That's what throws me-- We are using 5.0.30 vanilla-- yet it reported 1.0.1a!?! Craig, cmon its me here, w00t! I didnt even USE ircservices till you told me about it The problem seems to have resolved itself-- we tried ./ircservices -debug and the problem vanished... Will keep you all posted. Robin Burchell [w00t] Administrator, irc.netronet.org