[IRCServices] Desperate Problems

[Scott Seufert]

At 11:11 PM 10/10/2000 -0700, you wrote:
><rant>
>
>      Permit me to offer _my_ years of experience and point out that network
>and server maintenance is completely meaningless without users.  This is
>just as true of IRC as of the Internet in general; when was the last time
>you talked to someone maintaining a gopher server, for example?  This is
>what we in the field technically refer to as "being too literal".
>Example:
>
>      If you read RFC 1459, scripting isn't even mentioned, whereas the
>duties of an IRCop are; in such duties are network/server maintenance.
>So by standard, choosing to keep a network tool like StatServ would be
>more helpful to the oper than worrying about whether or not a few users
>get flooded by clonebots.
>
>      (Note that StatServ and {nick protection, scripting} are entirely
>orthogonal, except to the extent that nick protection and StatServ run in
>the same process; and of course, if StatServ crashes then StatServ can't
>continue working as a network tool, which makes this a non-solution to
>start with.)
>
>      Of course, this is completely irrelevent to the original question,
>which was not "I'm going to pick one of these two things to get rid of,
>which one should I choose".  The original question was "Having StatServ
>enabled causes Services to crash, how can I make it stop crashing?"
>Saying "Leave StatServ enabled and let the users deal with Services
>crashing" does not answer that question.
>
></rant>
>
>   --Andrew Church
>     achurch at dragonfire.net
>     http://achurch.dragonfire.net/

<snip>

Unless I totally misread the short 5 line post I started to offer my 
opinion to, my post would be relevant. I can't remember specifics and the 
post is on my laptop, so please bear with me.

I offed my opinion at a choice between two possible solutions given by two 
different people. One solution was to disable StatServ, I don't remember 
who offered that solution, the second was disable guesting, offered by 
Andrew Kempe. As I read the post I perceived it as "I wonder which one is 
correct" type of post. So to help "choose" I gave my opinion, which was 
basically disable guesting, because I know it will be fixed in the future. 
The reasoning behind that is generally based on my oper experience on a 
60k+ user network were an IRCop NEEDS to make choices that will always 
support the network over the users even though most users don't see things 
that way.

My opinion doesn't suggest that the users are not important. Your are 
correct and I have stated so myself to people in the past that without 
users, a network would a group of opers with nothing better to do than to 
play with themselves. Also at hand is the fact that having/getting users is 
meaningless with a poorly maintained network/server. So the two work hand 
in hand.

So from my point of view, the post I originally replied to was indeed a 
"I'm going to pick one of these two things to get rid of, which one should 
I choose" type post.

I'm sorry if I was totally wrong on this.


Scott Seufert
aka katsklaw
Server Admin
Excalibre.ShadowFire.Org


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