[IRCServices] mildly off topic?

Tue Nov 26 11:39:00 PST 2002

Unreal is a very well coded ircd. It provides a whole host of features that
make your user's session more interesting. The one thing that many people
forget is that it is a professional ircd meant for experienced users. Sure
it may come in a Windows flavor as well, which is great for experimenting
and learning for beginners, but running it on *nix as well on a production
network without learning everything about it is bound to cause hassles. I
personally feel that nobody should run an ircd if they don't know what
they're doing. That statement could cause a few ripples but let me explain.
For most newbies wanting to run an ircd it's for the power. They don't care
about their users, they *use* their users. By this I mean they go about
getting as many users they can just so they can become popular or show off
their powers. This is especially why most newbies opt for Unreal as they
gain a huge range of powers as an ircop. I have been running Unreal for a
long period of time and I find it extremely stable. Mainly because I know
what I'm doing. Then again I'm not saying that you shouldn't try and ask
questions. If you're really interested in running an ircd with better
motives than one's specified above, as well as willing to put in the effort
in learning what needs to be learnt then having your network come online
will be a positive addition to the irc world. I just don't like spoon
feeding answers to people which I know can be found if they put a little bit
of effort into it. Not forgetting experience makes a big difference.

Got a bit off course there... Unreal would be quite a big jump from
Dreamforge. Dreamforge was a great ircd but is looking awfully dated
compared to newer ircds around. Bahamut would probably be your best choice
as it branched off from Dreamforge and is similar in a few ways. Bahamut,
may I add, is also a brilliantly coded ircd.

You just need to think about what you require in your network. Unreal (gasp)
is stable believe it or not if you know what you're doing. I have found them
both to work 100% with ircservices. Also don't forget other ircds available
which are supported by ircservices. Give them a try as well. This is one of
those times I'm not going to list the ircds supported because it's mentioned
on the ircservices website.

Just my two cents...

:-)

Dylan.

Network Administrator
The Omega IRC Network
irc.omega.org.za
www.omega.org.za

----- Original Message -----
From: "nick martini" <nick at devaluate.com>
To: <ircservices at ircservices.za.net>
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [IRCServices] mildly off topic?

> im on all the unreal lists, as well as ircservices and epona. and while
> you are correct in saying that a lot of posts are from people having
> problems, there are different reasons.
> for one thing, unreal has a very large feature set. there are a lot of
> commands new and/or inexperienced people should not be using, but they
> try anyway. they subsequently break something and post to the lists
> asking for help.
> another is due to pure inexperience. ive been on a few networks running
> unreal (i shant name them, but im sure we've all had this experience)
> where the admins are just totally clueless.
>
> i run unreal beta, and it runs perfectly fine. aside from the whole
> syntax error (re: typos) in the config file causes the ircd to go down,
> its damn stable.
>
> ircservices works splendidly with it as well.
>
> theres my 2 cents :)
>
> nk
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 09:34:44AM -0500, Ballsy wrote:
> |> From: Ballsy <ballsy at mystical.net>
> |> To: ircservices at ircservices.za.net
> |> Subject: Re: [IRCServices] mildly off topic?
> |> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211250909440.5041-100000 at david.mail.net>
> |> Reply-To: ircservices at ircservices.za.net
> |> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:34:44 -0500 (EST)
> |>
> |> While this is somewhat like asking "What's the best operating
> |> system for my desktop" (in that the responses will vary, as everyone
has
> |> their favourites), many folks on the list seem to use bahamut (1.4.30
or
> |> later), including myself, and it seems to get along with IRC Services
just
> |> fine.
> |> While I have absolutely no personal experience running Unreal
> |> IRCd, dare I say that it seems to be responsible for the majority of
the
> |> "I have a problem" posts to this list.  I think these relate to
specific
> |> versions of Unreal though, as others apparently work just fine.
> |> It really depends on what you want from your IRCd though.  If
> |> you've been using Dreamforge until now, moving to bahamut may be the
> |> easiest transition.  Bahamut is designed for large networks though, in
> |> that it is not near as feature-rich as some other daemons, but can
handle
> |> an incredible client load (there are servers on DALnet with 40K+
> |> concurrent users).
> |> The best way to go, I imagine, would be to check out the IRC
> |> Services docs to see what IRCds are supported, then look at those IRCds
> |> individually to see if they have what you want/need.
> |>
> |> David
> |>
> |>
> |> Quoth Chuck on Nov 25 at 06:56,
> |>
> |> > It has been years since we have explored the software available in
irc
> |> > and now we want to upgrade our server software and services. Of
course,
> |> > what services to get is easy:).
> |> >
> |> > My question is, what is the best open source server software
available
> |> > now that is 100% compatible with services?
> |> >
> |> > We want it to 'run itself' once it is properly configured. We have
not
> |> > had to touch the old dreamforge software in the past 3 years at all,
in
> |> > fact forgot it was even running.
> |> >
> |> > This will be a private, stand-a-lone server.
> |> >
> |> > Suggestions and "problem warnings" will be most appreciated.
> |> >
> |> > Chuck
> |> >
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