Thoughts on Services development (was Re: [IRCServices] Can't even get it to build on OSX 10.3.8)

[Craig McLure]

Thanks for the copy of this, sorry if i over reacted on the list
earlier, it just gets frustrating sometimes, he wasnt willing to post
anything interesting, except 'Screw you all, it doesnt work, you all
suck' (Not quite like that, but that was the general idea). I promised
to take a 'back seat' with regards to services, but with that mail, i
felt i had to speak out. Sorry again.

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Andrew Church wrote:
> [This is a copy of the message I sent to David M in response to his private
>  message to me.  I will not post that message, as doing so would violate
>  etiquette, but I feel it important to make my thoughts on Services
>  development known, for the benefit of others who may have similar
>  concerns.  I have elided portions of my message irrelevant to that topic.]
> 
>      [...]  From my viewpoint (subjective, certainly, but everyone's
> viewpoint is subjective by definition), you have accused me of carelessness
> without taking the time to fully understand the issues involved.  Despite
> the fact that IRC Services is merely a free-time project of mine, I have
> taken considerable care to ensure that it is compliant with modern
> standards, as described in section 2-1 of the manual, and I try to ensure
> that it will compile and run on commonly used operating systems.  However,
> I lack both the time and the resources to check its behavior in all
> environments--in fact, all I have at my disposal is one computer which can
> run either Linux, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, or Windows.  As a result, I have to
> rely on reports from users to resolve any problems on other systems.
> 
>      I had hoped my previous message had demonstrated that I was quite
> willing to admit my error, but it regrettably seems that that is not the
> case.  Nonetheless, I am still open to receiving any information you wish
> to provide regarding your problem.
> 
>      It is true that I have deliberately removed support for older
> compilation tools from IRC Services, and I will continue to do so in the
> future as those tools evolve.  However, this is not due to carelessness; on
> the contrary, it is the result of efforts to clean up the source code and
> bring it in line with a single standard.  As I mentioned earlier, Services
> is only a free-time project of mine, and I simply cannot spare the effort
> to support multiple versions of development tools.  If perhaps I am
> adopting new standards faster than commercial OS vendors do, it is
> certainly not out of malice or spite, but as I am distributing this program
> (which is the result of nearly nine years of work--perhaps you are not
> aware, but Anope itself is a second-generation derivative of IRC Services
> 4.3) free of monetary charge, I do feel entitled to ask that users of the
> program make some effort of their own in order to use it.
> 
> [...]
> 
>   --Andrew Church
>     achurch at achurch.org
>     http://achurch.org/
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